CONSPIRACY THEORIES

84% would seem rather high. Around here, 1500 miles from NY, but still in the US, I know of very few people who think that it was a government conspiracy. There are too many things that just don't add up about a conspiracy. You might want to scan through this, if you have a spare week or two, but it is very well written

http://www.jod911.com/drg_nist_review_1_0.pdf

Sifting through the bull is always the problem, though, isn't it? It would be nice to have a source of information that gives you just facts, all the known facts, no spin, and then let you make up your mind. Even scientific articles can often be slanted to make data point to the desired results. Still not convinced on Kennedy, though. Oswald was removed too conveniently.

Also, hate to sound a little off here, but Roswell is rather difficult to come to terms with.

I tend to be a skeptic, but that is my educational training coming through.
 
Re: 84% - that's from the New York Times / CBS Poll

"Scientific Poll: 84% Reject Official 9/11 Story
Only 16% now believe official fable according to New York Times/CBS News poll
A monumental new scientific opinion poll has emerged which declares that only 16% of people in America now believe the official government explanation of the September 11th 2001 terror attacks.
According to the new New York Times/CBS News poll, only 16% of Americans think the government is telling the truth about 9/11 and the intelligence prior to the attacks:
"Do you think members of the Bush Administration are telling the truth, are mostly telling the truth but hiding something, or are they mostly lying?
Telling the truth 16%
Hiding something 53%
Mostly lying 28%
Not sure 3%"
The 84% figure mirrors other recent polls on the same issue. A Canadian Poll put the figure at 85%. A CNN poll had the figure at 89%. Over 80% supported the stance of Charlie Sheen when he went public with his opinions on 9/11 as an inside job"
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All of us with Honours Degrees are trained to evaluate, criticise, assess, and arrive at our own conclusion.

I guess the people in this poll, whom I assume cover a wide and varied spectrum of people based on socio-economic factors, diversity etc etc... looked at evidence on certain things that convinced them something's up...

I dunno...I'm just observing the stuff :)

You guys like Charlie Sheen?

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2006/200306charliesheen.htm
 
 
I tried to do a little research on the topic. I searched for that poll and only found one on Angus Reid that mentions the NY times/CBS but I could not get access to it because I am not a subscriber - shameless capitalists. Can you send me a link to that? I did find one (Scripps) that cites 36% of Americans think the gov either was responsible for or knew about but did nothing to stop the attacks. Still high but seems a little more plausible

http://newspolls.org/story.php?story_id=55

As you say, you assume that they use a variety of participants - polls can be highly variable depending on your target participants. In light of the bombings in London and Spain and the recent arrests in Germany, the conspiracy is more widely spread than we would like to believe. The question then would be, who are the conspirators?



 
Yeah. Makes you wonder. "There are lies, damned lies and statistics" Oscar Wilde

Thing is, the very word 'conspiracy' conjures up freaks, weirdos, psychos, nutcases, fanatics...geeks...

I see a new Osama tape has emerged...

 
Yeah, conspiraciy theories are like everything else, there is a bell curve with the theories and the proponents - 90 - 95% are things that people think and wonder about just because we have the brains to do so and the people who think and wonder about them do it in their spare time and then there are the fringe. The internet is like that, too. You can find a lot of fun and interesting stuff, like this Board, and then there are the dark alleys where most of us don't care to venture.

Good thing Osama doesn't live on Mayfield Place. Ray, Mark and Art would be on his butt in no time. They would break into his cave and burn it while he's gone for the day.
 
HAHAHAHAHAHA yeah

Imagine that...Osama moving in...Hahahahaha... the neighbours from Hell - or Al Qaida..

"We took the house from the Talibans...you know how the Talibans are...they get so attached..."

I guess like every human endeavour, whilst the Internet is a fantastic source of information, enjoyment etc...there's always going to be that negative element of exploitation.

Re: the 90-95% of people...Yep we have that capacity to hypothesise and to form individual opinions of our own freewill, sometimes based on total paranoia...

But I think it's healthy when we are able to question and point the finger those that rule... without fear of being visited in the night and shot.
It's fundamental we don't blindly accept what we're told without questioning it.

 
<span class="postlistquotedtext"><blockquote>quote:<center><hr width="100%"/></center>Art Weingartner wrote:

Imagine that...Osama moving in...Hahahahaha... the neighbours from Hell - or Al Qaida..

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Hmmmmmmmmmm, Art comes up with a winning idea. No honestly, back in 1989 it was the probably slavic Klopek's who impersonated the strange and unknown.

In 2007 the situation has changed. "The Burbs 2" could deal with that fear that some of us have when imagining the endangerments which spring from fanatic islamists (here in Germany the authorities have just recently prevented a terrible assault).

"Al-Wahzeeda, what is that, Saudi Arabian?"
 
Doctor Klopek's speech on the alternative ending deals with that topic.. "There go the weirdos" just because they're 'different'.

I think it's a natural thing. And snap-judgement stereotyping. It's a tool we carry, I believe formed in stone-age man. We saw someone from a different tribe, they're a threat. Snap-judgements would have been made back then just as we all do now. We all carry prejudices, it's what shapes us as individuals. We learn to hide those prejudices to survive and get along in life. But we do have that innate involuntary reflex. If an old woman is walking alone at night down the street and ahead of her is a skinhead, that woman will immediately feel a sense of danger...because that person is being stereotyped. May be the gentlest man alive for all she knows, but it's a survival instinct. And so when someone different and new moves into a neighbourhood, tongues start wagging.

It's a human thing...
 
I wasn't always a proponent of diversity, but have found over the years that the more people I get to know from other cultures, the more I realize that we are really all the same. I work with Indians, Bosnians, Poles, Lebanese, Iraqis, Australians, Hispanics, Iranians - even a few Brits - and numerous other people and have found the experience to be wonderfully enriching and have met a lot of good friends that way.
 
'even a few Brits!' LOL

*deep breath*

Well in this country multiculturalism and diversity is supposed to be valued, celebrated.

As far as I can see it hasn't done much good at all.

For example, the Indian and Pakistani communities generally live amongst themselves - and this is the big fallacy: there is no 'integration' as such. Whole cities are being re-shaped, London, Bradford, Leicester etc...Demography is changing. Personally, like you Dan, the one's I know are nice people. Our local deli is Asian and I've been loyal to them for about 5 years.

But the fact remains that, generally, white-British and Asian-British don't really want to work/live alongside each other (it's not a skin colour thing, it also goes for Eastern Europeans). This is why we've had so many race riots. Basically, what happens is: (1) The foreign people move into a house. (2) The unhappy neighbour then puts theirs up for sale. (3) A foreign neighbour then buys that house and so on.

Eventually, everyone on the street moves out to live elsewhere. That's a fact. It's even happening near us. You can see it clearly.

Another thing that gets people's backs up is things like not being able to fly the English flag "for fear of upsetting minorities" - and at Christmas, we can't have trees up in council buildings or charity shops, or send cards with Christian images on "for fear of upsetting minorities". It's disgraceful. The other year, a senior government minister sent out official government Christmas cards - not a single Christian or Christmas image to be seen. Oh sure there were images of Hindu, Muslim, etc...

We've had extremists marching up and down the streets chanting race hate for ages. Democracy? Freedom of speech? Yeah, these very people saying how wonderful Islam is and Sharia law - but they don't live in those countries themselves... the hippocrites live here. And the senior clerics (Abu Hamza etc) often draw thousands in benefits, free housing, NHS care - all paid for by the hard working decent law abiding public.

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/12788/Fury-as-state-benefits-go-to-suspects-on-UN-terror-list

That's one reason why record numbers of Brits are leaving this country.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=477006&in_page_id=1770

They've simply had enough. Many, many people I speak to at work; police, probation...family members... they're all talking of getting out.
 
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