To the original point, I still can't figure out why Art would make up a story about talking to the real estate broad. What purpose would that serve??
One plot point that has always confused me
quote:Art Weingartner wrote:
That's right Ray P. Why steal a toupee?
I also thought some time back of the possibility that the daughter could have asked the Klopeks.
But.
Put yourself in her position. Her dad rushed into hospital with a suspected heart attack, the last thing you'd do in a rain storm in the early hours is worry about the next day's mail being delivered.
No no, the Klopeks are up all night. They saw Walter leave the house. The Klopeks broke in (don't know how yet) then Queenie got out, the Klopeks had a quick rummage round, took indiscriminate items of Walters. Heck, even Art wanted his lighter!
I totally agree. But the question remains,WHY did they break into Walters house. I think Walter WAS the Klopeks next target. Werner wanted the best house on the block to better represent his "well respected pathologist" image,so they broke in to map out Walters house and plan their takeover. Why they stole Walters wig is still a mystery.
That's right Ray P. Why steal a toupee?
I also thought some time back of the possibility that the daughter could have asked the Klopeks.
But.
Put yourself in her position. Her dad rushed into hospital with a suspected heart attack, the last thing you'd do in a rain storm in the early hours is worry about the next day's mail being delivered.
No no, the Klopeks are up all night. They saw Walter leave the house. The Klopeks broke in (don't know how yet) then Queenie got out, the Klopeks had a quick rummage round, took indiscriminate items of Walters. Heck, even Art wanted his lighter!
I totally agree. But the question remains,WHY did they break into Walters house. I think Walter WAS the Klopeks next target. Werner wanted the best house on the block to better represent his "well respected pathologist" image,so they broke in to map out Walters house and plan their takeover. Why they stole Walters wig is still a mystery.
Run to me, run to water!
quote:Art Weingartner wrote:
Art lied to stir up the sh*t. He never spoke to anyone.
There was no real estate broad for Art to speak to.
Sorry Art, Bonnie and RP, I disagree with this one. There had to be a real estate broad to tell Art about the Klopeks old house burning down in a hideous,raging inferno.
NF told me a theory that is plausible. The Klopeks hired a actress to pretend to be a real estate broad, you know, to keep the neighbors from becoming suspicious. They would have done this after murdering the Knapps and taking their house.
Art lied to stir up the sh*t. He never spoke to anyone.
There was no real estate broad for Art to speak to.
Sorry Art, Bonnie and RP, I disagree with this one. There had to be a real estate broad to tell Art about the Klopeks old house burning down in a hideous,raging inferno.
NF told me a theory that is plausible. The Klopeks hired a actress to pretend to be a real estate broad, you know, to keep the neighbors from becoming suspicious. They would have done this after murdering the Knapps and taking their house.
Run to me, run to water!
quote:kennyman wrote:
quote:Art Weingartner wrote:
That's right Ray P. Why steal a toupee?
I also thought some time back of the possibility that the daughter could have asked the Klopeks.
But.
Put yourself in her position. Her dad rushed into hospital with a suspected heart attack, the last thing you'd do in a rain storm in the early hours is worry about the next day's mail being delivered.
No no, the Klopeks are up all night. They saw Walter leave the house. The Klopeks broke in (don't know how yet) then Queenie got out, the Klopeks had a quick rummage round, took indiscriminate items of Walters. Heck, even Art wanted his lighter!
I totally agree. But the question remains,WHY did they break into Walters house. I think Walter WAS the Klopeks next target. Werner wanted the best house on the block to better represent his "well respected pathologist" image,so they broke in to map out Walters house and plan their takeover. Why they stole Walters wig is still a mystery.
That's possible. They planned to kill Walter and were already figuring out how to get into the house and Walter's bedroom without making too much noise and awaking too much attention. Qucikly get in, kill Walter, get out with the corpse.
On the other hand, if they were making such considerations, why stealing newspapers and a toupee? Still, don't forget, the toupee must have been stolen later because Bonnie was screaming when they discovered it in Walter's house. So the Klopeks could not have stolen it the night Walter disappeared but later on. Furthermore, didn't Ray take the toupee with him but later put it into Walter's mailbox?
quote:Art Weingartner wrote:
That's right Ray P. Why steal a toupee?
I also thought some time back of the possibility that the daughter could have asked the Klopeks.
But.
Put yourself in her position. Her dad rushed into hospital with a suspected heart attack, the last thing you'd do in a rain storm in the early hours is worry about the next day's mail being delivered.
No no, the Klopeks are up all night. They saw Walter leave the house. The Klopeks broke in (don't know how yet) then Queenie got out, the Klopeks had a quick rummage round, took indiscriminate items of Walters. Heck, even Art wanted his lighter!
I totally agree. But the question remains,WHY did they break into Walters house. I think Walter WAS the Klopeks next target. Werner wanted the best house on the block to better represent his "well respected pathologist" image,so they broke in to map out Walters house and plan their takeover. Why they stole Walters wig is still a mystery.
That's possible. They planned to kill Walter and were already figuring out how to get into the house and Walter's bedroom without making too much noise and awaking too much attention. Qucikly get in, kill Walter, get out with the corpse.
On the other hand, if they were making such considerations, why stealing newspapers and a toupee? Still, don't forget, the toupee must have been stolen later because Bonnie was screaming when they discovered it in Walter's house. So the Klopeks could not have stolen it the night Walter disappeared but later on. Furthermore, didn't Ray take the toupee with him but later put it into Walter's mailbox?
Walter, I have your dog.
The Klopeks didn't steal Walter's toupee, it was in the mail after Ray dropped it through the mail slot. The Klopeks were getting the mail. Its the only thing that makes sense.
It makes no sense at all that Walter's mail would be picked up by the Klopeks. None. They are the last one's he'd have asked. Ipso facto.
And, I might add, the purpose it would serve for Art to fabricate the story of a female real estate agent telling Art that the Klopek's last house burnt to the ground is all part of 'grooming' Ray psychologically. Check out Art's eyes when Ray says "It's my neighbour" - he's taking Art's bait. It's all a game to Art. Like the night they talked about Skip. All instilling fear in Ray. It's Art's plan; to get Ray to start getting paranoid and to spy with Art and Mark.
As if a real estate agent would pass on confidential and private information to some nosey neighbour about a prospective client's last house!? And why would the Klopek's even tell her that? It would create unnecessary questions.
Re: Hiring an actress. Hmmm. Nobody even noticed a moving van out front, let alone a real estate agent. Art made it all up to instil and propagate a conspiracy theory for Ray to take hold. When Art is in 'the den' and Ray shows Art and Mark the toupee saying he got it from the Klopeks (i.e. they must've gone back to Walter's to get the hair) Art seems genuinely shocked - all of a sudden his little fantasy game has become real.
And, I might add, the purpose it would serve for Art to fabricate the story of a female real estate agent telling Art that the Klopek's last house burnt to the ground is all part of 'grooming' Ray psychologically. Check out Art's eyes when Ray says "It's my neighbour" - he's taking Art's bait. It's all a game to Art. Like the night they talked about Skip. All instilling fear in Ray. It's Art's plan; to get Ray to start getting paranoid and to spy with Art and Mark.
As if a real estate agent would pass on confidential and private information to some nosey neighbour about a prospective client's last house!? And why would the Klopek's even tell her that? It would create unnecessary questions.
Re: Hiring an actress. Hmmm. Nobody even noticed a moving van out front, let alone a real estate agent. Art made it all up to instil and propagate a conspiracy theory for Ray to take hold. When Art is in 'the den' and Ray shows Art and Mark the toupee saying he got it from the Klopeks (i.e. they must've gone back to Walter's to get the hair) Art seems genuinely shocked - all of a sudden his little fantasy game has become real.
"...we should sue them..."
Walter wouldn't have asked the Klopeks but the daughter might of. We need to email Dante.
quote:Art Weingartner wrote:
It makes no sense at all that Walter's mail would be picked up by the Klopeks. None. They are the last one's he'd have asked. Ipso facto.
And, I might add, the purpose it would serve for Art to fabricate the story of a female real estate agent telling Art that the Klopek's last house burnt to the ground is all part of 'grooming' Ray psychologically. Check out Art's eyes when Ray says "It's my neighbour" - he's taking Art's bait. It's all a game to Art. Like the night they talked about Skip. All instilling fear in Ray. It's Art's plan; to get Ray to start getting paranoid and to spy with Art and Mark.
As if a real estate agent would pass on confidential and private information to some nosey neighbour about a prospective client's last house!? And why would the Klopek's even tell her that? It would create unnecessary questions.
Re: Hiring an actress. Hmmm. Nobody even noticed a moving van out front, let alone a real estate agent. Art made it all up to instil and propagate a conspiracy theory for Ray to take hold. When Art is in 'the den' and Ray shows Art and Mark the toupee saying he got it from the Klopeks (i.e. they must've gone back to Walter's to get the hair) Art seems genuinely shocked - all of a sudden his little fantasy game has become real.
This does make sense and seems to be right, however, there's still one unclear factor that doesn't allow me to agree. I've stretched my brain sideways and still cant think of a plausible answer..
If there's no real estate broad,how did art know about the Klopeks last house burning down?
It makes no sense at all that Walter's mail would be picked up by the Klopeks. None. They are the last one's he'd have asked. Ipso facto.
And, I might add, the purpose it would serve for Art to fabricate the story of a female real estate agent telling Art that the Klopek's last house burnt to the ground is all part of 'grooming' Ray psychologically. Check out Art's eyes when Ray says "It's my neighbour" - he's taking Art's bait. It's all a game to Art. Like the night they talked about Skip. All instilling fear in Ray. It's Art's plan; to get Ray to start getting paranoid and to spy with Art and Mark.
As if a real estate agent would pass on confidential and private information to some nosey neighbour about a prospective client's last house!? And why would the Klopek's even tell her that? It would create unnecessary questions.
Re: Hiring an actress. Hmmm. Nobody even noticed a moving van out front, let alone a real estate agent. Art made it all up to instil and propagate a conspiracy theory for Ray to take hold. When Art is in 'the den' and Ray shows Art and Mark the toupee saying he got it from the Klopeks (i.e. they must've gone back to Walter's to get the hair) Art seems genuinely shocked - all of a sudden his little fantasy game has become real.
This does make sense and seems to be right, however, there's still one unclear factor that doesn't allow me to agree. I've stretched my brain sideways and still cant think of a plausible answer..
If there's no real estate broad,how did art know about the Klopeks last house burning down?
Run to me, run to water!
Maybe he didn't know. It was an invented story to add a little adventure and mystery to those weird neighbours and to instigate Ray to start spying around. Later on, the made-up story began to turn real. Coincidence.
I once had the brisk idea of the Klopeks asking Walter to take care of his mail but that somehow doesn't make sense as well. I thought of Werner suspecting the other neighbours to starting to believe that the Klopeks are weird. "Damn, they watched you banging the hell out of the trash with your stick, we have to do something!" So Werner, being the eloquent man that he is, offers Walter to take care of his mail in order to make everyone believe: "Hey, the Klopeks are normal people just like you and me!"
Nonetheless, how should they have known that it was the appropriate moment to ask Walter for taking care of his mail?
Maybe when Walter was being carried out of his house in the middle of the night Werner was asking him with a compassionate look in his eyes if he should take care of something while he's away and amidst this hurry Walter's daughter replied "Thanks, can you take care of his mail?" It wasn't really important for her and she didn't ask the Klopek's because as Art said, that's the least thing that goes into your mind if your dad is supposed to have a heart attack. But if she was being asked on her way to the ambulance, she just needed to reply with "Yes, the mail!"
Does that make a little sense?
I once had the brisk idea of the Klopeks asking Walter to take care of his mail but that somehow doesn't make sense as well. I thought of Werner suspecting the other neighbours to starting to believe that the Klopeks are weird. "Damn, they watched you banging the hell out of the trash with your stick, we have to do something!" So Werner, being the eloquent man that he is, offers Walter to take care of his mail in order to make everyone believe: "Hey, the Klopeks are normal people just like you and me!"
Nonetheless, how should they have known that it was the appropriate moment to ask Walter for taking care of his mail?
Maybe when Walter was being carried out of his house in the middle of the night Werner was asking him with a compassionate look in his eyes if he should take care of something while he's away and amidst this hurry Walter's daughter replied "Thanks, can you take care of his mail?" It wasn't really important for her and she didn't ask the Klopek's because as Art said, that's the least thing that goes into your mind if your dad is supposed to have a heart attack. But if she was being asked on her way to the ambulance, she just needed to reply with "Yes, the mail!"
Does that make a little sense?
Walter, I have your dog.
I personally think the whole 'Klopeks looking after the mail' thing is A-grade baloney.
Walter is going to HOSPITAL in the MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT. Who (including his daughter) thinks of making sure something as trivial as the mail is being collected at such a time (especially for such a short duration)? As Rummy most validly points out, "Walter left this house... in a big hurry." The only thing that makes that story plausible is the fact that Walter does not have many (if any) friends in the neighborhood due to his snobbishness and 'trains his dog to crap in my yard' animal, and saw no alternative other than to have outcasts like the Klopeks do him a favor.
As a side point, I wondered if anyone noticed - when Ray asks Art, "Do you wanna not steal that from Walter's house, please?", Art is wearing two watches? I would presume one of these surely belongs to Walter. Quite amusing.
Walter is going to HOSPITAL in the MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT. Who (including his daughter) thinks of making sure something as trivial as the mail is being collected at such a time (especially for such a short duration)? As Rummy most validly points out, "Walter left this house... in a big hurry." The only thing that makes that story plausible is the fact that Walter does not have many (if any) friends in the neighborhood due to his snobbishness and 'trains his dog to crap in my yard' animal, and saw no alternative other than to have outcasts like the Klopeks do him a favor.
As a side point, I wondered if anyone noticed - when Ray asks Art, "Do you wanna not steal that from Walter's house, please?", Art is wearing two watches? I would presume one of these surely belongs to Walter. Quite amusing.
"If I'd been on the plane, it would've crashed!"
One other thing, why would the Klopeks call the police to come investigate a break in at a house that they didn't even own. Assuming that they did murder the knapps, move in and that Art fabricated the story about the real estate broad.
Also how did Ray and Carol know that the new neighbors had the last name Klopek if they had never seen them before?? 1st scene "Is that a Slovak name"?